Educating The Mudhas.

76/01/01 Madras, Bhagavad-gita 3.27


Prabhupada: ...karmani sarvasah, ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. We are preaching Krsna consciousness all over the world, and we are getting good response because we are preaching Bhagavad-gita as it is. This book is... Here it is written, Bhagavad-gita As It Is. We do not make any false interpretation so that the reader also spoil and the listener is also spoiled.

So, so many people, sometimes they come forward to give me some credit that I have done very wonderful thing. So I reply that "I do not know how to do something wonderful. I cannot manufacture gold, I cannot show any jugglery, but if there is any credit, then the only credit is I don't adulterate. That's all. The pure milk, I don't show my expert service by adding water in it. That I do not do. So we present Bhagavad-gita as it is. In the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna is the Supreme Lord. In the, all the Vedic literature, Krsna is accepted as the Supreme Lord, person, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

isvarah paramah krsnah
anadir adir govindah
 [Bs. 5.1]

In the Vedanta-sutra it is inquired, athato brahma jijnasa. What is Brahman? This human life is meant for understanding Brahman. Aham brahmasmi. This is real education. So that Parabrahman... We are Brahman, but Krsna is Parabrahman. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). He is the supreme nitya, eternal. Krsna is also eternal; we are also eternal. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. So Krsna is... [break] ...not a dead stone and we are also living being. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. And where is the difference between Krsna and me? The difference is eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. Krsna maintains all these plural number. He is singular number. Nityo nityanam. He is singular number. Then this singular number or plural number, what is the difference? Difference is that Krsna is the maintainer and we are the maintained. Krsna is the predominator; we are predominated. This is difference.

So our preaching, is this Krsna consciousness, that people are searching after God, speculating throughout the whole life, but here Krsna is canvassing, "Here I am." "No." Avajananti mam mudhah [Bg. 9.11]. God is canvassing, "Here I am," and these people are searching after God. Just see. Why? That is explained here, ahankara-vimudhatma, false egoism. Ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. He is fully under the control of prakrti, and still, he is thinking independent. That is vimudhatma, bewildered. So

prakrteh kriyamanani
gunaih karmani sarvasah
kartaham iti manyate
 [Bg. 3.27]

 The material world, especially in this age, everyone is thinking, "I am the greatest. Who can become more than me?" Ahankara-vimudhatma. This material world is like that. Everyone is thinking like that. Asuric pravrtti. Kah adhyo 'sti mama samah: "Who is greater than me?" There is a struggle for this vimudhatma competition.

But at the end he is under the control of nature -- everyone knows it -- because ultimately the death will come and all ahankaras will be taken away. "I don't care for God. I am independent. I am God" -- all these ahankara, false egotism, on account of bewildered, being bewildered, these things will be finished when Krsna will come as death. Everything will be finished. Mrtyuh sarva-haras caham [Bg. 10.34]. Krsna has described Himself that "I am death. I am death, and I take away all your possession, that's all, as death." It will be taken away. However intelligent we may be, however proud we may be for our possession, but the death is sure. "As sure as death." And when death comes -- the death is also another form of Krsna -- then He will take everything.

Just like Hiranyakasipu. He was very, very proud of his possession. He was controlling over the three worlds. He was chastising his Vaisnava son, Prahlada Maharaja. In this way he was very, very proud. But when Krsna came as Nrsimhadeva, everything was finished within a second. So we should not mistake this, I mean to say, fact.

Krsna therefore presents that "Your real problem is birth, death, old age, and disease, your real problem. You are making solution of all the problems by scientific advancement, by education, by so on, so on, political maneuver, everything. It is all right, but how you are going to solve this problem -- janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam [Bg. 13.9]? How you'll solve this problem?" Actually human life is meant for solving this problem, not this temporary problem. Temporary problem will go on. If you don't solve this problem, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi, then any form of life, there will be problems. Even if you are elevated to the heavenly planets, there are also problems. Indra is not very happy there, the king of heavenly planet. Although the higher planets, the duration of life, the standard of civilization, standard of comforts many, many thousand times greater than here, but the same problem -- janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi -- is there. You cannot avoid it.

But actually our problem is that I... Nobody wants to die, that's a fact, but death is enforced. No young man wants to become old man, but it is enforced. You cannot avoid it. So we should understand -- this is sense -- that we are not independent. That's a fact. Prakrteh kriyamanani.

And above prakrti there is Krsna.

mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
 [Bg. 9.10]

So therefore Krsna is accepted as the supreme controller. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. Isvara means controller, one who controls. So everyone has got some capacity to control, every one of us. You are also controlling your family, controlling your business, and I am controlling this institution, and so on, so on. Everyone has got some. In that sense everyone is isvara. There is no fight on this point. But we are controller of a limited circle, but we are controlled also. That is our position. Not that I am simply controller but I am controlled by higher authority. So therefore I am not supreme controller. I am controller, isvara, but here is one, isvara, Krsna, isvarah paramah. He is supreme controller. Why supreme controller? Because he is not controlled by anyone. That is Krsna's position.

Krsna, when He was present on this planet He practically demonstrated that He controlled everyone but nobody controlled Him. That is isvara. That is called paramesvara. Isvara everyone may be. God everyone may be. But Godhead is Krsna. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). So we should understand it very nicely, and it is not very difficult. The same controller is coming before us as one of us, as human being. But we are not accepting Him. That is the difficulty. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11]. That is very regretful. Krsna says that "I am coming to exhibit who is the supreme controller, and I am playing as human being so that everyone can understand. I am giving instruction in the Bhagavad-gita. Still, these fools, the rascals, they cannot understand." So God is there. We give the God's name, Krsna, God's address also, Vrndavana, God's father's name, mothers' name. So why... Where is the difficulty to find out God? But they will not accept. They will not accept. Mudha. They have been described as mudha.

So this morning these press reporters asking me, "What is the purpose of your movement?" So I said, "To educate the mudhas, that's all." This is the sum and substance of this Krsna consciousness movement, that we are trying to educate the mudhas. And who is mudha? That is described by Krsna. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. Why? Mayayapahrta-jnanah. Why maya has taken away his knowledge? Asuram bhavam asritah. We have got very simple test, just like a chemist in the small test tube can analyze what is the liquid. So we are not very intelligent. We are also one of so many mudhas, but we have got the test tube. Krsna says... We like to remain mudha, and take education from Krsna. This is Krsna consciousness. We do not pose ourselves as very learned scholar and very erudite scholar -- "We know everything." No.

We are... Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He also tried to remain a mudha. He, when He talked with Prakasananda Sarasvati... He was Mayavadi sannyasi. Caitanya Mahaprabhu was dancing and chanting. So these Mayavadi sannyasis were criticizing Him that "He is a sannyasi, and He's simply chanting and dancing with some sentimental persons. What is this?" So a meeting was arranged between Prakasananda Sarasvati and Caitanya Mahaprabhu. In that meeting Caitanya Mahaprabhu attended as a humble sannyasi. So Prakasananda Sarasvati questioned Him, "Sir, You are a sannyasi. Your duty is to study Vedanta always. So how is that, You are chanting and dancing? You are not reading Vedanta." Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, "Yes, sir, that's a fact. I am doing because My Guru Maharaja saw Me a mudha, rascal." "How is that?" "He said, guru more murkha dekhi' karila sasana [Cc. Adi 7.71]. My Guru Maharaja saw Me a fool number one, and he chastised Me." "How he has chastised You?" Now, " ‘You have no jurisdiction to studying Vedanta. It is not possible for You. You are a mudha. You better chant Hare Krsna.' "

So what is His purpose? The purpose is, at the present moment, these mudhas, how they will understand Vedanta? Better chant Hare Krsna. Then you will get all knowledge.

harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha
 [Cc. Adi 17.21]

In this age people are so fallen that what they will understand Vedanta and who has got the time to read Vedanta? So better take the education of Vedanta directly as Krsna says, vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15].

So Vedanta knowledge is sabdad anavrtti. By chanting the sabda-brahma one can be liberated. So this, this is recommended in the sastras

harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha
 [Cc. Adi 17.21]

So if one is actually interested how to become liberated from this material bondage, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [Bg. 13.9] -- these are the problems -- then, according to sastra, according to mahajana, one must take to this chanting of Hare Krsna maha-mantra. This is our, I mean to say, purpose.

So even Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He was so learned scholar, every one of you know, and He was very popular leader at Navadvipa. And when He was sixteen years only, He defeated one very great learned scholar, Kesava Kasmiri. And he was known as Nimai Pandita. Actually He was very learned scholar, and His explanation of one verse, atmaramas ca munayo nirgrantha apy urukrame... He described this verse in sixty-four ways. He was such a learned scholar. So He was not a fool, but He represented the fool of this age, that "If you want liberation from material bondage...

Because this human form of life is meant for that purpose. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanu... [Bg. 13.9]. This human life is meant for getting out of this encagement of repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. This is human form of life. It is meant for. Unfortunately there is no education that "Why? I do not want death, but why death is compulsory? I do not want old age; why old age is compulsory? I do not want to take birth; why birth is compulsory?" These are the actual questions or problems of life. And our whole Vedic literature is meant for solving this problem. That is whole purpose. Vedic literature, Vedic civilization, is not meant for working day and night like animals only for maintaining the foodstuff and sense gratification. It is not civilization. According to our Vedic civilization, this is not civilization. This is another form of animal life.

Because Rsabhadeva says, nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye, tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. That is the aim. Suddhyet sattvam. Sattva, our existence, is now polluted, infected. Therefore we have to accept birth, death, old age and disease. The cats and dogs, they cannot get this opportunity how to purify the existence, how to become free from these four principles of material unhappiness. They cannot understand; they cannot study Vedic literatures; they cannot take instruction of Bhagavad-gita or Srimad-Bhagavatam. So if we do not take advantage of our Vedic knowledge which is found in India, then we are spoiling our life.

Therefore Narottama dasa Thakura has sung a very nice song, hari hari biphale, janama gonainu: "My Lord Hari, Krsna, I have simply wasted my time." Why? Manusya-janama paiya, radha-krsna na bhajiya, janiya suniya bisa khainu: "I got this human form of life, but I did not take the advantage offered in this life to understand Krsna; therefore I have taken poison knowingly. I have taken poison knowingly."

So this Krsna consciousness movement is very important. It is not something manufactured, mental concoction. No. It is authorized, authorized movement. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [Bg. 7.7]. There is no more superior fact than Krsna. That we have to understand. And how He is superior? We are taking nature as very wonderful but behind the nature the manipulator, the controller, is Krsna. That you have to understand. That is understanding of Krsna.

If... Big, big scientists are finding out the wonderful natural laws, but it is their duty to find out, "Who has made this law, and how it is being conducted so nicely?" That answer is there --

mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
 [Bg. 9.10]

The prakrti is very powerful. There is no doubt.

In the Brahma-samhita also it is stated that srsti-sthiti-pralaya-sadhana-saktir eka chayeva yasya bhuvanani vibharti durga [Bs. 5.44]. Durga, goddess Durga, she is the prakrti power, and she can create, she can maintain, she can annihilate. Srsti-sthiti-pralaya-sadhana-saktir eka chayeva yasya bhuvanani vibharti [Bs. 5.44]. But she is acting just like shadow, not independently. Icchanurupam api yasya ca cestate sa govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. So Govinda is the ultimate background. Sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1]. Isvarah paramah... And this is the Brahma-samhita, written by Lord Brahma. So, and He is personally explaining Himself. What is the difficulty to understand Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead?

So we should take opportunity of this human form of life, how to understand. Even one has got this human form of life, it is difficult. Krsna says,

manusyanam sahasresu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam vetti tattvatah
 [Bg. 7.3]

So there are so many things to be learned about Krsna. Krsna says that "I am controlling the material nature." Now, if you are actually very great scientist you find out how Krsna is controlling the material... That is... Idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va [SB 1.5.22]. Actually education, tapasya, means that you should understand what is the ultimate truth and how He is acting. Then your education, your scientific knowledge, is perfect.

In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is said in the Naimisaranya,

atah pumbhir dvija-srestha
svanusthitasya dharmasya
samsiddhir hari-tosanam
 [SB 1.2.13]

So whatever you do it doesn't matter, but try to satisfy the Supreme Lord by your work. That is the perfection of life. Samsiddhir hari-tosanam [SB 1.2.13]. You cannot... This is foolishness -- "Oh, there is no God." How you can say so? You are completely under the control of the laws of nature, and nature is being controlled by God. How you can say that you are independent of God?
Therefore it is not very good business that people are pulling on, pushing on a type of civilization, Godless civilization. They'll never be happy because we are so controlled that after death we have to accept, tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13]. You have to... You cannot stop death. As you cannot stop...

Just like a boy. If he says, "No, no, I will not grow." Father says, "My dear boy, you are playing all day. Go to school. Learn something. Otherwise in future you will be unhappy. You will not be able to maintain yourself." So if the boy says, "No, no, I have no future. I will not become young man. I shall play," that is not a fact. You have to become a young man and you have to take responsibility. So similarly, Krsna said,

dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati
 [Bg. 2.13]

So dehantara-prapti is there. That's a fact. How you can say, "I'm independent"? This is foolishness. You are not independent. How dehantara-prapti? Karmana daiva-netrena [SB 3.31.1], according to your karma. In this life we are preparing ourself for the next life. How it is? Yanti deva-vrata devan pitrn yanti pitr-vratah [Bg. 9.25], bhutejya yanti bhu... Mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam. You have to prepare yourself.

So leaving aside the black side, you take the bright side that you are trying to go to the higher planetary system, Svargaloka, Janaloka, Maharloka, Tapoloka. So you have to prepare yourself.

They are going to, trying to go to the moon planet but according to our calculation they have never gone to the moon planet. They have never gone because, we find in the sastras, the moon planet is situated 1,600,000 miles above the sun. And they calculate that 93,000,000's of miles the sun is situated. So 93,000,000 plus another 1,600,000 it becomes 95,000,000 miles. How one can go ninety-five millions of miles in four days? So according to our sastra, we cannot believe this statement.
So apart from this discussion, you can go to the moon planet. That is also one of the heavenly planet. But you have to prepare for that, sir. That is karma-kandiya. You have to perform such and such yajnas. It is not that by force you can go any other planet. By force you cannot go even any other parts of the world here. If you want to go to America you have to take passport, visa, and so many things. And you'll be allowed to go to the moon planet without any visa or passport? How it is possible? It is common sense. They are so fools that some rascal will take some machine and go there? That is not possible. So we have to prepare.

So Krsna says, yanti deva-vrata devan: [Bg. 9.25] "If you want to go to the heavenly planets you can go. You prepare yourself." Pitrn yanti: "Pitrloka you can go." Mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam: "But if you prepare yourself for coming to Me, back to home, back..., you can do so." So if we have to prepare ourself to go to other, higher planetary system...

And here within this material world, within this universe, abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino 'rjuna [Bg. 8.16]. Even if you go to the highest planetary system, Brahmaloka. The Brahmaloka means you cannot calculate one day's life. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh [Bg. 8.17]. Sahasra-yuga. One yuga means forty-three lakhs of years, and multiplied by one thousand, such year, is only twelve hours of Brahmaloka life. Similarly, twenty-four hours, one month, one year... So it is very, very long duration of life there, where Brahma lives. But still, you have to die. Abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino 'rjuna [Bg. 8.16]. So mad-dhama gatva punar janma na vidyate. These are...

Instructions are there, and we are trying to educate people in Krsna consciousness. But if we think foolishly that "I am independent," you can do that, but we are not independent. That's a fact. Prakrteh kriyamanani. We are fully under the control of prakrti, and we have to change different types of bodies. There are 8,400,000 different types of bodies. Jalaja nava-laksani sthavara laksa-vimsati. They are all stated. And this human form of life is ver... Very, very rarely we have obtained. Therefore Prahlada Maharaja said that durlabham manusam janma: "This human form of life is very, very difficult to obtain." Somehow or other, we have now this human form of life. Krsna said that utilize it very nicely so that the problems of life... And that knowledge is very easy. Krsna says, janma karma ca me divyam yo janati tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]. Simply try to understand Krsna. That's all. That will solve. And Krsna is explaining Himself, what He is. Where is the difficulty? Unless you make some interpretation foolishly, everything is very, very clear. So you can understand Krsna. And if you understand Krsna, then result is

janma karma ca me divyam
yo janati tattvatah
tyaktva deham punar janma
naiti mam eti kaunteya
 [Bg. 4.9]

Where is the difficulty? There is no difficulty.

Therefore our request is, take to this Krsna consciousness. It is... If the foreigners can take to it very seriously, so why not Indians? It is Indians' knowledge. Bhagavad-gita was spoken in India. Why you are neglecting it? Why you are not taking advantage? Why you are falsely proud that you are independent? These are our questions. You are not independent. You are under the full control of prakrti. So you have to rectify. Tapo divyam yena suddhyet sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam [SB 5.5.1]. That is the..., that we want happiness, but here any happiness... There is no happiness. It is simply distress. But even if we take as happiness, that is temporary. But we want unlimited, unending happiness.

So that you can have if you perform tapasya. Tapasya. Tapasa brahmacaryena samena damena ca [SB 6.1.13]. That is life. Human life is meant for tapasya, a little tapasya. Little tapasya. Not very difficult. We are asking these boys, European, others, that "You simply give up these four principles of sinful life because if you remain sinful, you cannot understand God. That is not possible." Therefore Krsna is saying, na mam duskrtino mudhah [Bg. 7.15]. One who are engaged in sinful activities, they cannot. That is not possible.

yesam tv anta-gatam papam
jananam punya-karmanam
te dvandva-moha-nirmukta
bhajante mam drdha-vratah
 [Bg. 7.28]

 We have to be free from sinful life.

And now it is practical. Now we are... According to sastra, we have prescribed, "No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication." Four no's. Then you become free from sinful activities. And then chant Hare Krsna. Your life is successful. It is not very difficult, provided you are serious to take it. So that is our request. Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Even if you cannot give up the four principles of sinful life immediately, but you take to Krsna consciousness. Chant Hare Krsna mantra. Then you gradually get strength.

Just like these European, American boys. From their childhood they are trained up for this sinful life but they have given up completely. Young men. Still, they have given up. So the method is very simple. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. If we chant Hare Krsna mantra, then the mirror of the core of heart will be cleansed. Ceto-darpana-marjanam. And then bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam.

This repetition of birth, death, old age and disease, this is just like a fire in the forest. Nobody wants it but it is forced up on us. Just like nobody wants to set fire in the forest, but it takes place naturally. Similarly, if you remain in this material world then you have to be, I mean to say, put into these tribulations of materialistic way of life. There is no escape. Samsara-davanala. It is just like davanala. So ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. As soon as you understand that "I do not belong to this material world" -- brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54] -- then all problems of life is solved. Aham brahmasmi. This is ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So as soon as one is cleansed of the dirty things in the heart, then he can understand that "I am part and parcel of Krsna. My duty is to serve Krsna. So let me be engaged in His service and become successful in this human form of life."

Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. [break]

It is Krsnaism. (aside) What is this? Stopped? [break]

Hinduism means a type of faith, or Muslimism is type of faith. But... As it is described in the English dictionary, religion means a kind of faith. But it is not that type of religion. It is a compulsory fact. Just like sugar is, compulsorily must become, sweet. If sugar is not sweet, that is not real sugar. Chili is not hot; that is not real chili. Similarly, we are part and parcel of Krsna. Our duty is to become Krsna conscious. There is no question of faith. It is not the question of faith. You may have faith in Hinduism; tomorrow you may have faith in Christianism. Or you may have faith in Christianism, tomorrow in Mohammedan. This kind of faith is not Krsna consciousness. It is a compulsory.  Just like laws of the state. It is not that it is meant for the Hindus, or for the Muslims, for the Christian. It is meant for everyone.
Similarly, mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. We are part and parcel of Krsna, so it is compulsory to revive our consciousness that we are part and parcel of Krsna. It is not a question of faith. Faith you may accept or do not accept but here it is a question of "must." You must revive your Krsna consciousness; otherwise you will suffer.

Indian (1): Any other question, please?

Indian (2): If I understand Bhagavad-gita and also you (?), Krsna has given different type of methods for different type of people of different advantages (?). He's talking about [Sanskrit], all these things. Arjuna questioned Krsna. He asked the difference between the two kinds of worship. One is the worshiping the form; other is worshiping the gunas (?). And actually we find it difficult to understand. What can you enlighten us on this point, that why Krsna has given a different type of (?) and these two different type worships? One is the form worship; another is the formless worship, which He explains to Arjuna.

Prabhupada: The personal form and impersonal form, there are two conception. But Krsna explains this that maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina [Bg. 9.4]. Avyaktam, impersonal. That is another form of Krsna. He says, maya: "By Me." "I am all-pervading." Maya tatam idam sarvam. That is sarvam khalv idam brahma. Because He is expanded everywhere, that is impersonal. And... But as maya, He says, "by Me." Then He's person. So the whole creation is Krsna's expansion of energy.

Just like the sunshine. Sunshine is also the same quality, heat and light, as the sun globe or the sun god. But the sunshine is impersonal, and the sun globe is localized. And within the sun globe there is sun god. So that is the main source of everything. Isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [Bs. 5.1]. Brahmanah aham pratistha. The brahmajyoti is also staying in Krsna. Krsna is the source of brahmajyoti. So impersonal or personal, whatever you take, that is Brahman. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate [SB 1.2.11].

But the beginning, origin, is Krsna. That Krsna explains, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. Either you take impersonal Brahman or localized Paramatma, whatever you take, that is emanation from Krsna. Sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1].

So, of course, if you worship impersonal form, brahmajyoti, that is also Krsna. But Krsna has said, kleso 'dhikataras tesam avyaktasakta-cetasam [Bg. 12.5]. If you want to approach the Absolute Truth through the impersonal form, then it will be little difficult. Perhaps you may not reach the ultimate goal. You may fall down. There are so many instances. We have seen in India so many big, big sannyasis. They give up this world -- brahma satyam jagan mithya -- but after some days they come down to the jagat and engage themselves in political... [break]

Why? They could not stay in the Brahman stage. That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninah. By concentrating on the impersonal form they think that they have become liberated but actually that is not. Avisuddha-buddhayah. So impersonal conception is not purified intelligence. Ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninah. You may think that "I have become liberated," but it is not. Why? Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanty adhah [SB 10.2.32]. After so much trouble and austerity, penances, you may acquire the position in the impersonal Brahman, but there is chance of falling down from there. Patanty adhah.

Why? Anadrta-yusmad-anghrayah: "Because they could not find out how to worship Your lotus feet." So unless you come to the personal form of the Absolute Truth, there is difficulty and there is chance of falling down. [break]

He never said, "My avatara." Mam ekam saranam. Otherwise he'll be misguided. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam [Bg. 18.66]. This is the most confidential information. Guhyatamam. Sarva-guhyatamam. So if you want to take the most confidential instruction of Krsna, then mam ekam saranam vraja. That is wanted.

Indian (3): Can I put a question, sir? I take Christianity as... [break]

Prabhupada: What is that?

Harikesa: He says he takes Christianity as Krsna consciousness. What do you say?

Prabhupada: Everything is Krsna consciousness. It is question of degrees. Mama vart..., partha... What is that verse? Vartante manusyah partha sarvasah. Everyone is searching after Krsna, but they are forward to some step. Suppose Krsna is there on the top, and it is one hundred steps. So somebody has covered five steps, somebody has covered ten steps, somebody has covered hundred steps, like that. So everyone is searching after Krsna, but there is degrees of realization of Krsna. So either Christian, Mohammedan, or any, they are searching after Krsna. That's all right. But it is a question of degrees, how far they have gone forward. The last stage is sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. That is the final stage.

Indian (4): Swamiji, is the Krsna consciousness is a development of this, only of our Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Prabhupada: No, it is... Krsna consciousness is there in the Bhagavad-gita. It is not, nobody's property. It is Krsna's instruction.

Indian (5): Swamiji, what is the color of Krsna? It is blue or black? Not according to sastra, but your experience.

Prabhupada: So if you kindly advance in Krsna consciousness, then you will understand. (applause and laughter)

Indian (6): What is the main purpose of meditation?

Prabhupada: What is that? Meditation? [break] Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginah [SB 12.13.1]. This is meditation, that by meditation that they try to find out Krsna within your heart because Krsna is situated everyone's heart. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. So that is dhyana -- find out. In the sastra we understand, "Krsna is within my heart." And if you meditate, try to find out Krsna, then, if you are fortunate, you'll be able to see Him. This is meditation.

Indian (7): My question is whether the name Krsna existed prior to Dvapara-yuga.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Mahamsa: Whether the name Krsna existed prior to Dvapara-yuga.

Prabhupada: Existed prior to?

Mahamsa: Dvapara-yuga.

Prabhupada: Yes, it is always existing. Those who are expert, they are seeing Him. Krsna is... Just like Brahma, Brahma-samhita. He mentions Krsna. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. So many, many Dvapara-yugas before, many millions of Dvapara-yugas before, he mentioned Krsna. Do you understand it? Brahma said. Brahma is the first creature in the creation. Many millions of years ago he uttered this word, isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1].

Indian (8): Is Lord Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita different from the one in Bhagavatam?

Purnima-candra : Is Lord Krsna in Bhagavad-gita...

Prabhupada: Krsna is one.

Indian (9): May I ask a question, sir. The movement is very popular in the USA and few other countries. To my experience it is not quite popular... This is the country where originated... [break] ...not so much in India.

Prabhupada: It is very popular here also. Otherwise why you have come here? (laughter)

Indian (9): But it is not so popular.

Prabhupada: So Krsna is popular in India very much. Every house, they observe Krsna Janmastami. Unfortunately (applause) you are forgetting. You are forgetting this. That is the misfortune. (laughter)

Indian (10): Swamiji, to be of service to Godhead is it necessary to renounce the regular life?

Prabhupada: No. Regular life... Just like Arjuna. Arjuna understood Bhagavad-gita. So before understanding Bhagavad-gita, he was a soldier. After hearing Bhagavad-gita, he remained a soldier. He did not give up the battlefield -- "Now, Krsna, I have understood. I give up everything. I am now going to be sannyasi." No. That is not required. You have to understand what Krsna wants you to do. That is Krsna consciousness. That you can do in any position. It doesn't require. Karma-phala-tyaga. That is advised by Krsna. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. We have manufactured different types of religious system. And they can be grouped. Some of them are within the group of tyaga, and some of them are within the group of bhoga. Bhoga and tyaga. The karmis, they are after bhoga, and jnanis, they are after tyaga. Krsna says that "You have to give up both of them, this bhoga and tyaga, both of them. You have simply to surrender unto Me." There is no question of bhoga and tyaga.

Indian (11): (indistinct) But how do we just meditate and get in touch with that Brahman? [break]

Prabhupada: ...does not say that you go everywhere...

Indian (12): But simply they say that you just have to meditate, transcendental meditation...

Prabhupada: No, what they say, I do not know. I know what Krsna says. That's all. (laughter)

Indian (12): I wanted to know...

Prabhupada: We are not concerned with others. We are pushing on... Krsna consciousness means our mission is to present before you what Krsna says. That's all. We are not concerned what other says. We are not con...

Indian (13): Lord Krsna (indinstinct) by meditation?

Prabhupada: Yes, there is in the sixth chapter. Mat-para. And he has explained,

yoginam api sarvesam
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
 [Bg. 6.47]

That is first-class yogi who is always thinking, "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare." He is first-class yogi.
All right. We have taken. Now no more. Chant Hare Krsna. You join with us. (end)
Bhagavad-gita 3.27 -- Madras, January 1, 1976